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All right. Got it. All right. Hi, Zach, hey, everybody, good to see you. This is quite a thing. I think I've done a major Zoom presentation, at least not in a while. Let me share my screen and tell you that I'm Doug Lamberts. I've been working in oral history for for quite a while, and my focus has been on indexing, annotation and otherwise making oral histories digitally accessible. Can anybody see that doesn't see the title of this session? Is that what's showing on your screens? No. OK, hello. Oh, hairdo. Oh, there we go. OK, very well, that should do it. So again, I'm Doug Lambert. I've worked in oral history content management for a while. I did do my own project for my Ph.D., using oral history as a way to do research in the field of environmental engineering. But before that, I was working for a long time with Michael Fish and the Rain Forest Associates, where we focused on different methods for direct digital, direct timecode indexing of oral histories. And so we did a lot of projects in that area, a very diverse set of projects over the years with Michael Fish. And most recently, I ended up doing a post-doc at the University of Luxembourg at the Center for Contemporary and Digital History, which was also a great experience there. I focused on my own experimental time code indexing tool, which I collaborated on with Zach Ellis from their story. And yeah, and so basically, those have been my my major collaborators like Zach and Mike Frisch over the years. S. So, yeah, so today we're talking about oral history, timecode indexing and annotations, and we want to get a little bit deeper into the decisions behind this what I'm calling an emerging art.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=1.32,129.55"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So my panelists today include Doug Boyd and from the University of Kentucky, Joey Balfour from National World War Two Museum in New Orleans, and Crispin Brooks from the show. A visual archive in California. And our commentator today will be Brooke. Brian Burke is. She directs the oral history in the Liberal Arts Program at Antioch College, and I'll tell you a little bit more about her later before her her commentary. So. So this is something I've found in a couple of days ago. This is from 2020, it says YouTube introduces video chapters to make it easier to navigate longer videos. This is really the essence of everything that I've known to be the starting point of indexing, and I can show you example over here. So some of you may or may not have noticed. But in YouTube videos now along the timeline, a lot of times they now have chapter markers, so you can see different themes throughout the the longer audio file or longer video file. And they can be thematically organized. It's actually a very simple system. All you have to do is type the time codes and your your thematic label next to them in the description in the YouTube video. And you can you can trace where you can jump right into parts further and deeper into the video without having to watch everything, you may have run to this already. If you if you did a how to video or something, they have a half an hour of video on how to do something that a specific thing you do know they'll have a chapter for so. So that's pretty exciting to see that YouTube, of course, the people on my panel. They've been doing this kind of work for much longer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=131.35,252.79"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some of them going back decades, some of them even going into the previous millennium. And so I wanted to bring them all together and have a chat about their systems and how they got to, where they got and why they made the decisions they made and and maybe then have a discussion that moves into where this, this this all might be going. So just a little just to give a little bit of definition and bird's eye view for people who really have no idea about about indexing. This is the way I have it carved up in my mind at this particular moment in time that changes all the time. But I think anything you'll see from from this outline is that there's a lot of different terminology that comes into play, so you may hear different things thrown around. That's one of interesting things about about some systems that evolved in different times and places, but none of them are any more or less relevant for any others. And it's it's and it's I find it very interesting. So, so, so broadly, you have your time access where you were. We now have this ability to go directly into a time code directly into a part of a longer file. So those have different names in different contexts. And then that turns into these smaller units, which you might call segments intervals, passages, tagged chapters, any number of things. And then you get into the real thematic axis, which is what is the meaning and the content of this material. So you have passage titles, you have summaries, you have annotations and descriptions, and that's those are usually in some sort of prose or fragmented prose. Then you can add on top of that for these passages terms, keywords, vocabulary codes, and then those terms can further be organized into controlled vocabularies in the taxonomies, into the story and into code frames, which is what I did for my Ph.D.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=253.09,369.01"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"project. So. So that's just to give you a little little bit of bird's eye view. I'm trying not to define anything to to distinctly if anyone thinks I'm missing something. Throw it up in the chat or mention it when you talk and and we'll throw it in the pool and see where we end up. So. So OK. So we're going to start our first round. OK. OK, so our first round. So what's to be admitted? So the first round will have each of the presenters present their indexing systems and just talk at a very basic level about their practice. We'll have each of them do that and then have a little discussion at the second round. I'll let them talk about the evolution of their systems and of their indexing methods. It's really a balancing act. I think my observation has been between how the system is designed or why you design it a certain way and the actual methods, how we want things indexed and how you want to, how you want to manage your metadata. And then Brooke will add some commentary at the end and then we'll and then we'll hopefully still have a lot of time at the end for an open discussion. So we'll first hear from Crispin Brooks from. Oh, I want to make one more comment. We're coming on. Now, when we're coming on the outline, the the systems that we'll talk about today are are I would distinguish is being displaced. So there are all toward online digital archives where oral histories, oral history collections are fully fully accessible and accessible down to this technical level and therefore display and therefore for access for researchers and other other other activities ongoing. But yeah. Display display is kind of what what they all have in common, I guess I would say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=369.19,495.0"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And OK, so in the first round, we're going to talk about the basic practice. So how people segment, how they annotate, how they develop themes and let them talk about what what index meant to them and how they got into it, target audiences and their their specific institutional context, which always steers a lot. So first, we have Crispin Brooks, who's the curator of the University of Southern California Shoah Foundation Visual History Archive. He's been working for 25 years on indexing the fifty five or fifty five thousand Holocaust and genocide interviews recorded by UCSF and its partner organizations. Right? Sure. And yes. Oh, and within their project, as Phil talked about, they're managing a controlled vocabulary of over 70000 genocide related indexing terms. Just beginning to take it away. Yes, thank you. Um, let me just share screen share sound. OK. All right. No, we go back a page. Hi, my name is Crispin Brooks as the kindly introduce me. Yes, I'm the curator of the U.S. Shoah Foundation's Visual History Archive, where I have been since 1998, not quite 25 years, but alarmingly close to 25 years. Thank you for having me today and thank you for coming and joining us today. OK, I've only got five minutes, so be quick. I hope I don't digitally glitch too much, although who knows it might improve my presentation. OK, just quick background about the U.S. Shoah Foundation formed in 1994, in fact, by the film director Steven Spielberg after he filmed Schindler's List with the goal of recording the stories of Holocaust survivors and other witnesses. We, in fact, recorded something like 50000 testimonies between 1994 and 2001, so this very, very large international oral history project. Thereafter, we had we have begun and continue to expand our collections by bringing in testimonies relating to other genocides, other events of mass large scale violence such as the Armenian Genocide, the Rwandan Genocide, Nanjing Massacre, the Guatemalan Genocide and others, mainly these days not recorded by the show or foundation themselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=496.53,676.34"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we bring in existing collections recorded by other organizations in total. Right now, the show Foundations Visual History Archive contains 55000 actually more than 55000 audio visual interviews recorded in 65 different countries and in 43 different languages to make those numbers perhaps a bit more manageable. This is thirteen years worth actually thirteen point three years worth of continuous video and material audio and video material. When I do demonstrations to students at USC, for example, so I always say, you know, and that we're going to sit down together and press play and start watching. But that raises the issue of why we index and that we indexed the clearly thirteen point three years worth of audiovisual material is in and of itself. Almost useless is far too much. You have to do something to break that down and make that searchable, pro-civil manageable. And our primary means for doing that is time coded, indexing the kind of topic that we're talking about today. OK? In a nutshell, the three basic elements that we were asked and that relate to indexing generally this kind of indexing generally our first segmentation in our practice, we have automatically generated one minute segments. So the application that we created to do the indexing when you begin a testimony automatically creates a two hour testimony as one hundred and twenty one minute long segments. And that's what you index in terms of text annotations. As I wrote here, no text and annotations with an asterisk, which I'll come back to later. We basically don't do text we used to, and it's optional now, but it's not public. But we took that part of the indexing in terms of the word format ization that we're asked to talk about. Yeah, we use a controlled vocabulary that we created beginning in more or less 1996 1995 96 and continue to develop and refine to this day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=676.91,825.65"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It currently consists of 70000 individual indexing terms, especially geographic terms. Eighty percent of the 70000 whatever the math is of that is is the places that people talk about. And then we have people and names and time periods and organizations and all manner of thematic content. So that's kind of the overview quickly looking at our this is the video indexing what we call video indexing, but it's really audio visual indexing application that we created to index these testimonies on the upper left. So it's divided into kind of like three columns on the upper left. You have a screen that displays either the video if it's. Video interview of the audio. It will be black or a basic black screen, some kind of icon if it's just audio. On the right upper, you have the access to the control vocabulary, the right lower is for indexing the names of people associated with this particular testimony, and the act of indexing involves selecting a term from the upper right or a person's name from the lower right and putting into the middle column into the relevant segment. So where you see that you might see the blue strip in the middle or over the lower right, that's the segment we have highlighted, which is segment three. So anything you select will go into that menu and you go through the whole testimony in that way. Selecting an indexing term and or a person's name and applying it to the relevant minutes, whether that's talked about. So the analogy would be, you know, rather than indexing the pages of a book, we're into indexing the minutes of an interview. But the analogy breaks down a bit. The equivalent would be if we indexed the whole library rather than just the individual book, so we indexing every book in the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=826.91,949.02"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That would give the analogy. OK, behind this, it's the kind of the the control vocabulary or the saurus and the management of that. So we have built another tool for that. What you see on the right portion here is a display of one of the two hierarchies that we kind of organize our terms into. We are highlighting a term under the kind of heading culture. Then under the subheading languages, we're highlighting the term actually the language that's encountered in some of our Guatemalan testimonies. Mayan language. And over on the kind of center and writes the kind of the the work that you do when you're building up the this controlled vocabulary in this way is the label. That's the term itself. There's a definition for each term. And then you see the tabs along the top as a Typekit are a parent tab that gets to the two hierarchies that we associate our terms into which I can explain more later. There are synonyms for each term. There are sources. So are terms. You know, the definition is based on particular sources that we use and written written up from. So those are cited if this is a geographic term, geographic coordinates are associated. OK, quickly jump on. Why do we index? Why do we index? Well, fundamentally to make the massive, that's the thirteen point three years of continuous audiovisual material approachable to why do we index? This is really why do we use a controlled vocabulary to ensure consistency so that rather than having an uncontrolled or semi controlled, you know, having a controlled vocabulary means that you can ensure that the same concept in theory anyway gets used the same way across different testimonies. This enables us also which is the goal of the show, a foundation or helps with the goals of doing comparative genocide research.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=949.56,1073.61"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you you're able to look at and determine commonalities between experiences through the indexing terms, as well as very important for us to describe the uniqueness of each thing and the specificities of each of each event of a genocide among violence. And all of this allows us to search and as importantly, browse in a sophisticated and, you know, really fascinating way a target audiences. Yep. Anything Crispin locked up. Yes. Yeah. Oh, Crispin, can you hear us? Boy. Michael, any ideas? I think we would just have to maybe have someone else speak and hopefully he'll be reconnected with them. OK, OK. All right, well, we'll do that then. I also forgot to mention when before that we encourage you to ask questions in the chat, Oh, there's Christine again, so you can finish up. I'll finish up the sorry, sorry, I just let me finish. That's just my shaky connectivity. One moment. Almost done. Just explain target audiences quickly. Wanted to show you. Turning to slide mode or trying to. There we go. A search tool. And again, I can come back to this when there's more time. The thing I really think is really great about indexing and its potential is not just that you can do searches when you know what you want, when you don't know what you want to, what might even be there. The ability to browse. So having organized kind of the hierarchies of terms and how much you know, how many testimonials or interviews are associated with that? This is a screenshot, so I can't open up these places, but these would go under beliefs or captivity or culture. You could open up more precise and specific things underneath. And so without knowing anything or just wanting to browse and see what's there, this can do that you don't have to search to learn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=1074.66,1242.71"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can just browse. And obviously that's that's really fundamental. Yeah, and that's wonderful. Thank you very much, Christine. Great job. All right. Well, so you'd have been unsure how OK, we'll move on to Joey next. I just wanted to mention to everyone, though, that if you have questions or as things come up, feel free to throw them in the chat. We're hoping to get plenty of them and we'll sort of assemble and combine them and for our for our discussion phases. So so don't be shy in the chat. OK, so this is Joey Balfour, curator of oral history at the National World War Two Museum in New Orleans, Louisiana. He oversees all aspects of the oral history program there, including collecting interviews, making them publicly accessible, and the interview, segmentation and annotation program, which we're concerned with today, including all the hiring and all the quality control work on that song. So keep up the good work. So I let's let's see what you got today. I've said my name is Joey Balfour, I've been with the National World War Museum as a full time staff member since 2008. I have been affiliated with the National War Museum since 1998, which was a couple of years before we opened. Most of that time, associated with museums oral history program. Our collection is not nearly as extensive as what Brisbane is working with. We have about 13000 personal narratives in our collection, of which about 5000 are on high definition video. We decided to start. Well, we refer to as annotation as opposed to indexing. Doug mentioned earlier that we're going to hear different terms used by different organizations. We refer to indexing as annotation, we will have our annotators break interviews up into clips by topic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=1243.7,1373.56"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These clips can run anywhere from two to 20 minutes long. The annotation tool that we use we actually had built for us by a company called Nadex, and I'll put a couple of screenshots up of that annotation tool in just a minute. Well, we decided to start indexing or annotating for a couple of reasons. Access is a big thing. We had all of these wonderful oral histories, many of which were the original oral histories that were done by Stephen Ambrose when he was working on his book Citizen Soldiers, D-Day and Band of Brothers. And we wanted to make that material accessible. So we decided around 2010 or so that we were going to start a digitization program. The two dogs that are here on the panel with us played a big role in our digitization project, getting up and running. Doug Boyd was one of our advisors, and Doug Lambert working for Ran Force at the time, came to New Orleans several times and helped us get our program up off the ground. And I'm proud to say that we've come a long way since since those early days back in 2011 12 13. The only see if I can share my screen here. And we'll show the. So our annotation tool, like I said, we had it built for us by a company called that it's part of our digital assets management system. So anything digital, whether it was born digital or had a digital copy created of it, lives in our digital asset management. So. When our annotators go in to work on an interview, the first screen they open up, once they have selected the interview they're going to work on is what you see on your screen right here. You. Oh, come on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=1374.4,1495.31"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So this particular individual that I selected to use as the example today is a very special guy. He's Mr Lawrence Brooks is the oldest living American World War Two veteran who just recently celebrated his 112 birthday. His interview is on our website, which I'll show in a little bit. What our annotators will do is I'll get in. They'll click the button that says video clips, which has that blue circle with the white plus sign. And that will open up a. A video clip, Ed, and they can get inside all of this information, with a few exceptions, is available to be filled in by the annotator, so it's up to them to add that information. They'll generally listen to the segments of the interview and then they'll they'll cut them up from there by topic or title them. The obsession number is already assigned to the interviewer, so they're just adding that stuff in their. But we have about a dozen fields that the annotators will have to fill in on their own the title, the item description, which is the actual annotation, the the person field, which is a list of famous persons. We use the Library of Congress Persons database and we use the Getit thesaurus for location names. We also use get the Getty Latitude and Longitude individual unit, which all that information has gotten inside of the the annotation program. Then we have a couple of fields that they can actually type into. They have to use a dropdown menu to select from, and that is where our control vocabulary is. Our control vocabulary list is only about 100 times, not 70000, but it was one that we created specifically for this program. The. This screen right here just shows the first half or so of the fields that they will enter information into, if you'll notice the screen shift, your screens can be resized.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=1499.23,1631.19"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which is why that changed size. Just now we see here we also will add geography and latitude the theater of the individual was in. Well. As well as in Iran and the Getty idea, the Iran is just the internal number that we use to track these interviews. As these clips are created, this is how we see it. It will end up going on our website very similar to this. This is just kind of the back end, and I'll show you what this will look like on the website itself. We decided to start doing this as a way to not just allow access easier, but to also link collections together. Mr. Brooks here was a member of the 90 First Engineer General Service Regiment. We have other interviews with individuals who served with him. So on our digital collections website, you can actually look for Mr. Brooks and link to other interviews, and I'll get to that here in just a second. The. Our film Billable Day reveals which this was something we decided on early on. Title like I a session, no description person dates. All of this is specific to the clip that is created at that time, not to the entire interview and every one of these fields are searchable. Both on in our annotation tool and on our website. And as far as our target audience goes, it's everybody, everyone who has an interest in World War Two history, ranging from high school students that are looking to do a project and they need an oral history clip to family members who are looking to hear oral history stories from people that maybe served with one of their loved ones or served in the same outfit with their loved ones. So that's kind of where we are right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=1632.9,1757.15"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Excellent. Thank you very much. I guess maybe we'll show you, maybe this show, you'll show the the live website part of the website, and we do the trend looking forward to that. OK? Again, questions in the chat, if you like them. Now we're going to go with Doug Boyd, who needs no introduction or maybe only a short introduction. He's the director of the Louis B. Nunn Center for Oral History at the University of Kentucky, and he envisioned, designed and implemented owns the oral history metadata synchronized which he will talk about today, which is an Open-Source digital tool that synchronizes text with audio and video online. Take it away, Doug. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to switch to this. Owns the oral history metadata. Synchronize her was really something that launched in 2008. It launched as a way for us at the Louis Brennan Center for Oral History to enhance access to our online collections. So initially in 2008, Olmsted one thing and it was just this it literally was to synchronize a textual search to the moment in a transcript. So when you find a word, you go to the word you click and notice it's one minute intervals. In the transcript, you click on the interval and it takes you to that moment in the audio. And about two thousand and eleven, we added the indexing feature. Now the indexing feature, you know, just to give you some institutional context, we're a research library. We're a unit in a research library situated in a special collections division. So. We are and we only have maybe I'd say we have three people actively working on the archives side of the equation, so relatively small staff, it's a collection of 15000 interviews. We're growing about at a pace of about 700 new interviews each year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=1762.81,1890.35"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I would say we're approaching 6000 interviews online of that total collection that have been Ohm's, so to speak. And what that means is they either have a synchronized transcript or a time coded index created. And to be honest, we are we have limited funding, so we don't have funding to transcribe everything that we create or that we accession to the archives. So indexing really becomes that first line for us for enhancing access to the interviews initially with that small stuff. Also, I will say we have a great team every semester of student employees at the UN center, who in part their primary directive is indexing interviews. So we have a great team that is indexing and then doing the quality control of those interviews before they go online. And just to show you what you're looking at here, Owens is a two part system. Owens is a system that has a back end where you do a lot of the work and then you push that work out of the back end and make it available on the front end is something called the arms viewer. We wanted to create a system where we made the system open source and free for other people to use. That could be something that could just be hooked up to any content management system like WordPress or or, you know, content team or Mecha or Drupal or anything like that. So we wanted we were kind of thinking about interoperability with our index when we did that. But on the back end of that system is this Ohm's application, and I didn't start my clock. Sorry. Somebody give me a high sign when I go to log. The OMS application is really where is command central? This is where you get your free account and and set up your repository and and start to do the work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=1891.7,2000.66"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So. In the indexing specifically, I'll just show you well, and we'll say that that in this module, we're also carrying with everything all of the interview level metadata and the collection level metadata. With this and the transcript, so ohms is a comprehensive system. It doesn't just index, it does, you know, all of this together and it carries all of the information with it in that one package, which is really fantastic. This XML package that is or XML document that you can create. But in the indexing module specifically, this is a look at the back end of how indexing and ohms works. So it is a time based approach. We have start points. We don't have ending points, necessarily for our indexes. It is a bit of a linear approach that we take in the indexing. When you're listening to the interview and you hear a moment that this is obviously one that's already been done, you hear a moment that you want to tag, you press the Tag Now button and you can start to index and you basically have fields at your disposal. You've got the time code, obviously, but you have the ability to create a title. Partial transcript, keywords and subjects. So we separate out keywords and subjects so you can kind of take a tagging approach with the keywords and you can use control vocabulary with the subjects if you want. It does interface with the Library of Congress subject headings in this for the subject field via linked data, so you can just start typing and the like terms come in. You can also upload your own vocabularies. So if you have a thesaurus of terms pertaining to the bourbon industry in Kentucky, which we have, you can start typing the word barrel and every term in your vocabulary that pertains to barrels will be suggested to you, and you can select control vocabulary terms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=2001.68,2111.71"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we're really committed to the controlled vocabulary aspect of that. You've got a synopsis for each segment. You can do GPS coordinates and hyperlinks, which are two very popular feature sets of these indexes that we're doing and by people who are using them just to show it in action. When you search, you're given this segment here where it presents you click on Play segment, you're able to be taken to the moment. And if you want to situate the moment on a map, you can see that place. And likewise, if there's a primary source that you want to reference online, you can actually kind of, you know, create some contextual links, I think, for for this moment that you've created. You also have the ability to jump back and forth between the transcripts and the index and our interface here. So you're able to kind of go back and forth, which is which is really quite nice. Essentially, I think the question of why indexing, you know, it really came about very practically for us in some ways, trying to find a better business plan that was more affordable. But I think also, I'm a big believer in the sort of Mike Frisian concept of this idea of of mapping the natural language to concepts. You know, somebody can talk about living under segregation for three hours and never once mentioned the word segregation in that transcript. And so indexing, as Christine mentioned, gives you this browse mechanism, this kind of bookstore ability to kind of serendipitously, you know, walked down the aisle and find a book that interests you. But it also gives you an overview. I love the fact that a good index you can look at and in 20 seconds know exactly what this interview is about and know if you, as a researcher want to dove in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=2112.05,2221.81"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, so we're we're big believers in indexing at the Nun Center and feel like, you know, the tool arms has really serves our purpose as well. But I think finally, I think your question about audience, you know, that's the real hard thing for for us all, I think to to determine right now is who's the audience for this material? And in our case, you know, the audience is broadening. It's not just traditional researchers anymore, historians writing dissertations and things like that. It's it's the general public. It's fans of the bourbon industry. It's, you know, people who are totally digging World War Two history and they just find, you know, find these collections. And so the interest group and the sort of individual random individuals who are just think your stuff is cool, I think is a real actual audience that indexing really plays to because it gives them a very light lift. I think an efficient pathway in to this interview and a way to interact with that interview. So I think that's where I'll sort of wrap up at the moment for round two. Great, thank you, Doug, thanks very much. OK, well, I think I'm not I am not doing well on time, so I'd like to get into round two as quickly as possible. But Brooke, do you have the only thing you want to do something right now? There is one question in the chat. Maybe we'll just hold up. We're going to keep going. So you want reassurance green? Commands you. Here we go. OK. You told that it's better to have two screens or rather it just causes problems. OK, so for round two, I'm going to get in a little bit deeper about the evolution of each of your systems and your indexing method.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=2222.59,2352.6"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The step before that, it's sort of working in in synchronization with each other. So I asked the ask the panelists to talk about key feature sets and the tradeoffs in development. And I asked them to keep it laypeople friendly because we're not going to any tech jargon here. But I think they can still talk about, you know, big decisions they had to make along the way how they were going to build this. And then and then also equally to talk about your indexers and your indexing methods, how what is involved in your training and your process overall and particularly we're interested in how do you maintain quality? So we'll go back to Crispin if you're ready and take it away from her too. OK, let me see. Let me share a screen once again and hopefully I won't disappear digitally again, but we'll see. OK. So yes, yeah. Evolution of indexing systems and methods. Yeah. So just to reiterate here where we're we're fully committed to the one minute segments, the use of indexing terms and particularly over the control vocabulary. So the saurus version of How to Index and this is exactly the evolution that the show or foundation took. We didn't begin with indexing this way. We actually began in a way much, much closer to what Joey and Doug talked about and those kind of methods. I kind of own version of a similar kind of system in that we the in originally and between 1997 and 2001, the system that we had the index. So we'd have a tool or the indexing tool that I showed you earlier did other things. So it would allow the index to choose the exact length of the segment where the beginning point was. And we did put an end point, unlike ohms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=2353.47,2479.89"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we say, you know, this is a four minute, thirty two second point zero zero one long segment. And that sort of in the index is judgment mapped around an episode or a definable section of the narrative that can be segmented. That was one thing we do. Secondly, we did originally have text segment annotations or, you know, a description of what happened in that four minutes and 32 seconds to contextualize that on top of the indexing terms, we always have the indexing terms. So it was contextualizing the use of these indexing subject terms or whatever you want to call. And additionally, on top of that, every indexing would write kind of an overview, a summary of the entire interviews content to be a three paragraph thing. So, you know, in some ways, you look closer to the practice that Joey and Doug described on top of the indexing terms. And you know, the reason we changed this. Was primarily because the the speed we were going at to index interviews, typically two to two and a half hours long doing that approach was going to take us 60 years. Now, in the beginning of the show, a foundation from 1994 to 2005, we were located on the backlot of the Universal Studios. If any of you have been to Universal Studios in Los Angeles as amusement park. And then if you're on the Jaws ride and you look behind you, there's a picket, there's a chain-link fence. So there's some trailers, the other side. So for the first 11 years of the show foundation, we were in wooden trailers that towards the 11th and 10th and 11th years started to rot. But we had effectively free rent while Steven Spielberg was attached to Universal Studios and subsequently lost.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=2481.21,2603.53"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then kind of the evolution of the show, the foundation was to evolve not only away from temporary wood in trailers. The journalists from the Guardian once described as looking like a deep camp into something more permanent and into a situation where we weren't financially dependent on our original fundamental benefactor. So we moved to USC. US seen pay continues to pay for the preservation and maintenance of the interviews, all programmatic work and you know, my job and everything else is fundraised for. So we went into a different kind of model of existence before that. You know, our indexing, we had a whole indexing, cataloging department of, you know, as many as 50 people in total doing various things to try and get through these estimates. And even then it was taking us, you know, an estimated what was going to be 60 years to index the 50000 testimonies. That is the issue that arises when you start off with a collection that's 50000 testimonies in the first place, right? You then have a lot of stuff you have to deal with. So some of the decisions you know, that everyone faces financial decisions. Everyone thinks the show or foundation doesn't because Steven Spielberg just plays a check. And that was never quite true back then and certainly isn't true now. But there was the problem that it was always going to be expensive because of the sheer volume of interviews that we took. And it was going to be time consuming. So we looked to a model that we felt retained the most benefits, and we had to shed some things that were incredibly valuable. But we felt that the most valuable part of it was the control of vocabulary and the time coded indexing, and we moved to one minute segments to speed that process up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=2605.15,2723.93"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because the process of deciding the start and end point of an individual segment multiple times over a single interview was also time consuming. Also, I think another benefit of the more our more streamlined approach is kind of an economy of thought. If you're thinking about what's involved in indexing, if you're both writing text, choosing time codes and selecting from a control vocabulary and other and other things. You know, in for us, we simplified it down to effectively one thing so it can concentrate the indexes. Mind on the kind of analysis of what someone's talking about and thinking how to represent that in the subject terms rather than having them. Maybe three things to do, and I can come back into questions quickly. Training we have an online training course that we've built in an online content online educational management system called canvas. Those of, you know, the canvas. And it takes about 50 hours to complete. It is quite long and rigorous the process of indexing, you know, the project management we handle, either internally or if it can be handled by a partner or organization that we're working with. Quality checks is basically we do. After training, we mentor someone on their first few testimonies to make sure they're in the right place and then occasional spot checks thereafter to make sure they're indexing correctly. But we cannot in that we cannot review every single piece of work. We not don't have the capacity for that. And then the saurus itself, the control vocabulary we regularly add in. The last two months, I've added 100 new indexing terms to because we're working on new collections to do with Bosnia and a brand new vocabulary and brand new places. New concepts are needed and then periodic updates to methodology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=2724.11,2841.56"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And you know, I can answer more questions and talk about the complexities of that in the question section. And that's probably more than my five minutes, and I apologize if it was, we're doing OK. OK, let's move on to Joy's team. Same question evolution of your system and your indexing methods, indexers, quality control. And again, we are working on a scale that is far smaller than anything that Dr. Crossman are working with. Everything that Crispin said that they have moved away from over the past decade or so is what we are actually doing. We actually have our annotator as select start and end points for each clip they we have them annotate the the clip that they have created. We're not asking them to interpret what is being said in there, but just to summarize very, very briefly what's being talked about in the clip. So anybody searching it can can find what they're looking for. They are also the one to select the control vocabulary to attach. We decided to keep the control vocabulary vocabulary list. Fairly short, just for uniformity, and we probably could have added several hundred more terms, but we've decided against that pronounced that could change. When we originally started our digitization and annotation program, we were using an open source annotation tool that I'm sure some of you all were familiar with was annotators workbench. Annotators workbench worked fine at the beginning for what we were using it for. We finally just decided that it wasn't robust enough and that it had one kind of quirk that we didn't like and that was if you annotated or created a clip and I don't have any screenshots from annotators workbench. I'm sorry we haven't used it in many, many years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=2842.47,2961.79"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But if you created a clip, you couldn't make another one that started or ended within that clip. And so we wanted something that we could actually annotate across clips, which is why we moved on to networks and asked them to build out an annotation tool for us. And we actually provided a description of This is what we want. We want to be able to add start and stop points. We want to be able to to annotate across clips, not necessarily across clips, but I can make clips of any size, any duration within the same interview. I can annotate from, say, annotate. I can have one of the annotators create a clip that starts from zero minutes and goes to five minutes and then make another one that goes from two minutes to seven minutes. We weren't able to do that with the previous platform. So we are annotation tool, which is still evolving, it's been in place now since 20 and 17 and still still grows. We we continually meet with networks to have them add or remove features that we decide that we can't use, or we determined a better way of doing them with regards to our annotators or indexers. Most of them were recruited by me. Again, we are working on a very small scale here, not not tens of thousands of interviewers or interviews. We have six annotators that work for us now. Each of the annotators receives between 12 and 15 hours of training, which is done with the exception of the last individual who we had to train via Zoom. Because of COVID. They've all been trained on campus here at the museum by either myself or another individual here who has been annotating about as long as I have been assigned to the program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=2962.66,3078.0"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The. The process for them to become an annotator is, like I said, I've recruited most of them, I vet most of them. It's not that we specifically set out to have all of our annotators have advanced degrees. It turns out that they all do. But it was just a way for most of them to have something to do in their in their spare time. This was a program that started off as just kind of a a side gig for for the museum and has turned into a very important part of the institution. It's our oral history collection is kind of the heart of this institution and having people be able to access it is is a big deal. And one other thing that we decided to do with our annotation is when we add an interview to our annotation cue, we also add it to our transcription cue. We use an outside vendor that we that we contract with, that you transcribe all of our interviews and create a a caption file so that we can attach it to the interview in the digital assets management system. And that way it'll turn up captured on the website. Very few of our interviews have had the caption files attached so far. We're in the process of rebuilding the website, and once that happens, the thousand or so captions files that we have to go with, the interviews will be attached. And that's kind of where we are right now. Doug. That I missed something, or I think you're good for now, thanks to you. OK. Doug Boyd same question, OK. Same question. Evolution of the tool As I said, it was created in 2008 as an in-house tool, but in 2014 we rolled it out as an open source and free solution, I think, for the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=3079.98,3193.01"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as of yesterday, it's being used. When I checked last, over 500 institutions and over 60 different countries are using arms, which is pretty amazing. Their job descriptions, job ads that are going out asking for people to have homes experience, which is pretty cool. And now they're sort of systems being developed like that. Their story platform, the video platform, excuse me and Aviary, the online archive platform for audio video archives, has really built in integration with homes, which is really exciting. And I think for us, the evolution is, is, is that in house? I'm sorry. Hold on. Taking the drink. You know, in House, one of the things that's constraining about building the tool is now the tool has to be built four or five hundred institutions and sixty two different countries. So when we built in the the bilingual aspects of arms where you can index in multiple languages and the viewer will actually be able to search in both languages. That was something that we were able to do because we had some multilingual collections in our collection. But it's very difficult for me to use none senator funds to build feature sets that aren't. Something that the nuns center is actually going to use. So that's been constraining, but also we do we can't just, you know, you know, on a flip a switch and be like, you know, I'm tired of the key-words field. Let's just get rid of it because there's all these people using it now. And there's this, this community of users that that, you know, go in so. So in some ways, that very much slows down the pace of that kind of change. And so. So that's something that is very much on my mind now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=3194.3,3307.46"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The thing that's really fun we're focused on now is the sustainability of the tool. And and that's going to come with greater interoperability. And and and so and that's also going to come through partnerships. So we're actually in the process as we speak of rewriting the entire code base of OEMs. And and it's actually I haven't really said this publicly yet, but it's it's actually going to be integrated into the Aviary platform. So if you're an avid customer, you get owns. It's it's just like that. But it's also going to remain free and open source. If you're not an aviary customer, it's going to be really, really pretty fantastic. But creating that kind of partnership is actually going to really build in. I think the ability for us to enhance and intensify the innovation and and make it more sustainable of it all. I think the the idea of our process, and I mentioned that a little bit before, but I just want to mention again, we've got a small team of three people. The planetary is the archivist who kind of does the setup of of things in homes creates the records. Danielle Gabbert is the one who who oversees the student indexers and really oversees that process of going through and working with the students. We have a lot of digital online training modules for homes, but really kind of take this mentorship approach where Danielle works very closely with the team as they so I can't really pin it down to a number of hours because it's a constant feedback process in the Nun Center. And one thing that was really pretty fantastic about all of us was we didn't miss a beat. During COVID, all of our students were able to continue employment, full employment and we're able to index and online.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=3309.02,3415.52"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we were able to really maintain great productivity during that particular time, I think, which we're pretty proud of. I think one of the things also that's happening is is that I want to get out there is that that, I guess, is part of the evolution of the tool was really originally built for archives to provide this, you know, to have the archivists do the indexing work in my mind. But what has happened is this really explosion of popularity with regard to using the indexing feature as a pedagogical tool. So we have entire university level courses being designed around indexing interviews where the faculty or the teachers realized that indexing is really an amazing engagement exercise with the interview itself. And so the students love it because it's a cool digital tool and they're gauging with this thing, but they're also participating in something that's real. It's going to actually be their work that's going online, which I think has been really fantastic to watch that unfold. And likewise, we also has been going to engage communities and stakeholders that we work with at the Nunn Center in indexing collections that they feel strongly about or they're connected to. And so we're training the a lot of the groups that we're actually starting to engage with and collaborate with on interviewing level in indexing. And it's really been fantastic to watch. I have found it's a little bit easier to train in volunteers to index interviews as opposed to training them to transcribe or even to clean up a speech recognized transcript. So and the feedback is that they find it infinitely more gratifying to do so. And then finally, the final point is the value that I've said before, but I'll say it again of having that human go through an index means somebody is deeply listening to every moment in this interview and thoughtfully considering how to represent that moment in text to the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=3416.09,3534.68"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think that's so important because especially in this age of automation where we can, I can crank out an automatically speech generated transcript that's pretty darn good. But if we're doing that and moving these interviews to an online space before there has been some human consideration in there, then we're going to miss a whole lot of things. But I think we need to pay for it. That's my time. That's my clock. That's just sort of set me off. OK. Thank you. OK, so that was over in the second round, Brooke, you ready to commentary or should we engage some of these things about some questions in the chat about software stuff from? I think it'd be great to run with a couple of questions in the chat and then and then I'll. Yeah, OK, great. Do you to take the lead, should I? Go ahead, share. OK, go ahead, share. All right, sounds good. All right. Well, let's start from the bottom of one. There's question about this open source proprietary thing. It's going to come up, so we might as well lay it on the table right now. Obviously, ohms was meant to be an open source project. That's how Doug got himself into serving all these other institutions for better or for better or worse. And I certainly know that Nadex in Morwell to Museum is not is proprietary, but I know you guys tried because at annotators workbench was open source. And then, yeah, I'm curious where, where that where the open source, not open source priority evolved for Crispin to. So let's go right to what's going to happen next. What what was your what was your thinking on that issue over the years? It's more of the thinking of our chief technology officer Sam Guzman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=3535.43,3647.51"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He's I asked him, you know, and his feeling was that he's not a huge fan of doing things open source. I think this is in part because of the, you know, the time and energy and money that we put into our own applications and, you know, wanting to get money back for that. I think it is his sense of it. I don't personally agree. But, you know, that's an internal conversation that's going on. I think what would have to happen before, you know, for us to to to if we were to make something open source, we would still need some design work. So this was a better and more coherent tool. There's one or two because we actually have three, if not four different tools that we use to index. And you know, I noticed the facilities, the functions of those are kind of grouped into a single tool and ohms, for example. So, you know, there are some things I think that if we were to get into that discussion, whether we were going to market it as a paid software or make it open source, I do think there would be something that there was some works that we'd have to do to get to that point. So, you know, that's sort of that's where we're at. We kind of developed it for our own use and never really thought about making open source. And then so we were willing to take the additional kind of difficulty of a slightly clunky tool or three or four tools that we were always, you know, that's where we were on that. So, yeah, we said enough. OK, if either Joe or Doug want to add anything, I think they kind of characterize what we were kind of in the same boat as Christine, where a lot of the decisions to go with the proprietary tool were made by our technologist in our I.T.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=3647.93,3768.62"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"department. And unfortunately, our technology just isn't here anymore. So I can't ask him why he made the decision to go that route. I actually suggested that we go with OEMs, started the our digitization program and decisions were made higher up the higher up the line than me back at that time to go ahead and go with the proprietary tool. And do you and do you know offhand how to what extent the data is portable from, say, the network's proprietary program like that your your actual data can be moved. I don't know, Chris, but same question. You mean, in terms of making a controlled account? Well, I guess, yeah, there's the system, there's the system being open source or not. But then there's the actual, then your actual data that the actual indexing data. Is any of it exportable? Can you even, you know, export parts of it or. OK, so it all sort of self-contained in it? You know, I'm I'm a content person rather than a technology person, so I don't want to like, jump in and say yes or no. My sense is mean, I'm one of the reasons coming here because I was interested to kind of gauge, You know what? You know, I this is my first time presenting OSHA. So to to be, you know, to be around, people engage in trust and kind of need and that kind of thing. And see and then I'll be able to kind of gather feedback and take it back and get a sense of where we're at because definitely sort of data interoperability in terms of a thesaurus is something I'm looking at. And but, you know, in terms of the I think we're able to we have our data and, you know, accessible formats and can can be exported.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=3768.98,3875.56"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I believe it's pretty exportable. But the details of how or how to do that and you know, that kind of thing. And I would have to ask somebody else. Yeah, that's fine. We did. We promise not to get too technical here, but that's also my observation. My, you know, we've used open source. We've used proprietary. But it to me, it always, never really matter as long as I could get my data out of whatever system it was into another system. So an open source system that doesn't really let you export data or isn't really interoperable or something else, you know, it doesn't really matter to the data. That's important. OK, now of course, I've been talking seven. I was going to I was just going to chime. I was just going to say that I think all of this was really kind of developed out of a, you know, an ecology or, you know, that was very proprietary and it was one of those impulses that I was, you know, we were, you know, we couldn't use the show, a foundation tool that, you know, there were no sort of real, you know, tools that translated to the user side. There was a lot of back end tools where you could do annotation. There was not a lot, but a few that where you do that, but it was really challenging to envision, you know, something that would translate then to the user and give that user the index experience the full index experience. And so that's where I think, you know, we went into that with that impulse and the impulse from the very beginning has been sort of like, make ohms, you know, a Toyota Corolla or a Subaru like from a car standpoint, from the analogy, because it's going to be, you know, solid and it's going to be reliable and it's going to sort of get you where you're going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=3876.16,3974.56"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not going to be super fancy. But you know, and I think using technologies like very basic example, if you export a known Zanele file, it's it takes very little technological knowhow to actually pull that data from that XML file. You can do it on a on a, you know, and you can convert that into an Excel spreadsheet very quickly. So we're very committed to those baseline technologies as a way to assume that you're not going to be pinned in a corner if you're in this system, if you use ohms. You have all of this OEMs X and all of your own X and all files that we recommend you preserve because it's in some ways the ultimate digital preservation package. It has all the metadata, it has, the transcripts, it has the time code information, it has the index level information, it has the references to the media files all in this thing that you can open up with Microsoft Word, which which I think is, is is pretty cool. OK, thanks to there's a couple of questions about about training, whether there's a difference in training for transcription and indexing and also just different levels. Who's using straight up volunteers versus versus, I guess, had trained in. I'll start since I was last before, but we don't really train transcribers. We've outsourced all of our transcription now to professionals and then we've gotten we've been able to kind of skip the training on transcription now that we're using a lot of speech recognition and going straight to kind of the transcript clean up. So we'll have some training for there. That's very easy to do with transcription versus indexing training. It's not that transcription was a hard training thing. It was actually it's hard to get volunteers to just do because it's such a massive time commitment, I think, with regard to training transcripts from scratch, whereas indexing, we really find that once you get into the flow of things, you can index and sort of, you know, this sort of three to four hours to to index something that would take you, you know, potentially 10 hours to create a human transcript.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=3975.4,4097.55"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But we're finding about six point five hours to clean up an automatically speech generated transcript. So suddenly like indexing an interview and cleaning up and automatically speech generated transcript is about the same time commitment as actually transcribing from scratch. And so that's, I think, really been a very promising trend for us now in three or four hours isn't in the beginning. That's something that I think initially it once, you know, because because we're not doing 50 hours of training, so that's amazing. But but that ongoing mentorship, once you know somebody is in their third or fourth interview, they start to hit their stride and kind of get the sense and get the feel of exercising that decision making muscle as to where to to create the segments and such. And I'll actually jump in right here. Our annotators are all paid contractors. He is volunteers for a couple of reasons. Number one, we're a fiber one g, three nonprofit and government institutions, or there are some some laws there that prevent us from using volunteers to do jobs that we have paid staff members doing. I've never trained anybody to do a transcript, I've never done transcription, we've always outsourced our transcription. So that's that's why we why we are indexing and having our indexers work here in our transcription being done elsewhere. I think I could jump in and if I could really quickly just share my screen, I think I can speak to a few of the questions that remain in the chat. This is such good discussion and I thank you everyone for coming. We've had, I think, between about fifty six and sixty one people kind of in and out. If you're one of the people in the system booted and then you had to come back in and I apologize and hope that you'll be able to access this later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=4098.09,4209.65"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm one of those open source users. I'm pretty committed to open source digital workflow here is kind of like meeting a, you know, through an institution with objects into sort of accessible places. I come from a more pedagogical perspective and more of a perspective of almost what I would call like a radical community archives, but possibility that these tools make possible at least the open source version of Ohmes. I've been using Ohm's for a good number of years, and I wanted to show you just the face at face value, a couple of different iterations of arms. I'm just one of those 500 users, but I have had a program called Oral History in the Liberal Arts that has engaged faculty and undergraduate students across 19 different campuses nationally and internationally to do oral history projects and to take those oral histories, those primary source interviews that undergraduate students have recorded, and to churn that content back into indexed, fully searchable, accessible interviews into collections that are, you know, accessible pretty immediately back to the communities from which those stories were were gleaned. In this case, this is a Kalamazoo project faculty member named Enrico Suba Mori. This is a Korean language interview that is indexed and transcribed in both Korean and English, showing some of the bilingual capabilities of Ohm's, which I wanted to be sure we touched upon in this instance. This was a faculty member who had these interviews sitting on her hard drive. They were just on her computer, but she knew she had some really rich content, and OEMs allowed us to work with her current students who are students of Japanese. This is the one Korean language interview in a collection of Japanese interviews, but this is allowed her to work with her students to force that kind of close listening that Doug was talking about earlier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=4210.94,4327.58"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Where not only do you get a student to reflect upon an entire essay, but you actually can isolate a seven minute section and have them summarize it in their own words, which requires critical thinking and synthetic language ability for language learning itself. It's pretty a remarkable tool. But for me, most of the work that I have engaged in has been in having undergraduate students do their own interviews and using Ohm's as an Open-Source tool to bring their interviews back to the public. In this case, this particular student, Eric Rhoads, ended up. He worked on a project with a faculty member on race and real estate. He took some of the National Scholarship on Redlining, and he applied it to the small city of Dayton, Ohio, which is near where we live. He ended up talking to a person who I believe the scholarship will show eventually is of some renown. And before this person, Alfred Patterson Jr. passed away, the student, just an undergraduate student for a senior project, was able to do this interview. This interview has been requested three times from this online accessible public archive and has actually been used in other people's scholarship. And it is a remarkable thing when young people can point to their undergraduate research as they move forward towards grad school and actually be able to show not only I was involved in a project, but here is the URL and the exact location of my indexed, transcribed and fully searchable to the minute interviews. So for me, the power of this is really in making content accessible back to the communities that the content comes from. And I think and this is just a couple of words of framing. I think that when I'm in this work, I'm kind of a digital tool person anywhere as I come from the digital humanities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=4328.0,4429.97"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want to speak to Jim's question about hackathons, and I think there's so much potential. But in order to see the potential, I think it's really important to ground back out in what makes oral history distinctive anyways. And I find myself in trainings and working with students and and working with community groups that were, I believe, one of the core things that makes oral history distinct from other kinds of quantitative interview methods and other kinds of practices is that we really are committed to the archive. We're committed to open sourcing, whether that's in a formal archive or whether that's in a radical community archive we're committed to. Making our bill our interviews available to other researchers, which is not a common practice in social sciences or other forms of humanity, of the human of scholarship in the humanities, where people tend to hold on to their own individual interviews and develop their monograph from that work. So I think that these the power of these digital tools is is is heretofore really unseen. I think we have a lot of material being brought online, and I just wanted to touch base on a couple of key best practices in oral history and how the future of oral history arguably is maybe being changed by these tools that are providing such greater forms of access to populations who are not necessarily committed scholars, but open members of a community. And so I just wanted to say that I do think it's making interviews available to others that makes oral history distinct. I think that these digital tools are what is bringing it all forward. I think our best practices and oral history need to recognize that these tools and the access afforded by these tools complicates informed consent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=4430.51,4530.57"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You have to have your your informed consent practices in place so that the people that you're interviewing in the communities or the projects that you're supporting understand what level of access the public is going to have, either through a formal archive or through a link on the internet and understanding the way in which Google is indexing these interviews. It's remarkable. But it also comes with challenges and a burden back upon us as project leaders and directors and interviewers to figure out how do you communicate that great level of access to the people we invite to participate in these projects? And I also think that I think our our panelists have talked about the investment of time, how much time is invested to make one interview accessible in these tools is remarkable. And for me, what that means is that the sustainability and the funding of the tools and the compatibility of the tools, right? If I'm to spend, there's questions about in vivo, which is a qualitative tool, right? In order to use one of these tools, like in vivo or other other platforms. Usually, you have to buy in, so you have to buy in per month or per year. And what level of investment is it? Can I offer of my time? Because when I stop investing in this tool and paying that monthly or annual fee, then what happens to my material? Can I? Can I put my indexing out and poured it into a new tool? So compatibility and is a huge thing for future directions? And new development in hackathons and other things to take these tools into the open source room and to actually build a community of things around it that can bring these tools to their next level of development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=4531.47,4628.47"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hey, you mentioned the vivo and I asked that question. And to answer, simply answer your question. If you don't have new vivo, you could always output. It's always the output. And so you don't need to have a license all the time. And so. If you're working on a project and you could output to excel, files, PDFs or whatever, and then in the scenario, you said that if you don't have the license in the future, you still have the output that you created using a visual. Initially, I'm really interested. Yeah. Thank you, Bill, for jumping in. And that's really interesting to me that there's the possibility of porting that material, either back to excel on your own hard drive or, yes, another tool. There was another question about tools. It was the first question that was posted, which was To what degree are these timestamps compatible to the kind of timestamps that you would create in an audio or visual workstation? I wonder if any of the panelists can speak to the question of compatibility or not, necessarily whether we have it right now, but what future directions might might we as a community want to invest in in terms of portability and compatibility of tools? Yeah, I'll I'll chime in that. Like when we created the OMS indexing module, there were really no real standards for this type of thing. So we really doing it from scratch. And since then, some really, really great standards have emerged. You know, one particular v2, you know that really. But but also SRT, the captioning standards that are really dealing with web video and audio that are emerging are really quite powerful. And, you know, absolutely something that I'm watching very closely and starting to I and and think about and, you know, kind of think about how we would actually build those systems in two ohms, even if it's just simply compatibility, exporting a file, importing a file, even if OEMs doesn't actually work natively, say on the VTi technology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=4629.94,4751.66"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it is the thing that you'll see like on a, you know, on a on a news, you know, like a, you know, you know, you'll see it where you can click on a word and it takes you to that moment in the word when the word is spoken, it's very powerful technology, but I'm very much standards focused and so so as quickly as we can get over to those standards, I'm I'm there. But one of the things that you know for that just that basic timecode indexing standard area, one of the things that I was interested early on was the concept of the edit decision list, because that was the thing. It came from film and filmmaking that had the same type of data that we're using for oral history. Now, it didn't have all the data we were using for oral history because as we've shown, we're going on in layers and layers and layers of metadata. But for the basic time, even even for the basic timecode stuff, just to get a timecode and to get and to get some other pieces of data that lets you recognize what that record is. You know, there are ways, obviously just a very, you know, Excel can be a transport module or just basic CSV file, but I've but I've never in all the years, I've never actually successfully moved data from an oral history project into an edit decision or back in the other direction. We have a great example where where somebody at Duke Cunningham, Craig Braden, actually took something from a spreadsheet that they had time code references to and actually used mail merge in Microsoft Word to mock up a fake OEMs SNL file so that he then got to work with an ohmes viewer without even using arms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=4752.29,4856.96"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, so those kind of sort of creative crosswalks are absolutely possible. I think you know that that something like an EDL, you know, CSP, those types of things, they they're starting to play more and more more seamlessly with. You know, it's all structured text. And as long as you know, in some ways, if you were working with EDL, you probably have the capacity to do that crosswalk, maybe. So the, you know, the cross walking stuff that's happening, I think is really pretty exciting. It's kind of hovering on, you know, interoperability, which, you know, with a little bit of effort. Brooke, did you have anything to add or me opening the questions, why? I don't know. Yeah, I would be, you know, we we don't have too much time. But I would be interested if anyone wanted to have any conversation about oral history writ large and qualitative interviewing writ large in terms of we afford people this level of access. You know, what does that mean for a practice? And what does that mean for our managers and for other people like myself and support faculty project who publish undergraduate projects? What what? Future directions, if, if, if digital tools are going to continue to make interviews accessible at levels heretofore unseen, how should that impact our practice as people who engage in oral history and oral history like activities? Because I think there's some sorry to jump in. I think, you know, something we've wrestled with. We did a big Holocaust collection in the second half of the 1990s, basically where, you know, people's idea of what the internet was and representative is different, obviously from what and what it actually was today. But, you know, we had again, we were very big oral history project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=4857.92,4988.24"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We had a very simple release form and it was very kind of black and white. Either you kind of agree that we were going to be able to use this interview in the way we deem fit or not. And you know, and that's come under criticism, you know, for being that black and white and being, you know, not particularly nuanced. I think increasingly we're finding ourselves having to have much more sophisticated consent forms. And you know, with, you know, various options to have, you know, differing kind of levels of anonymity, not just the ability to restrict total access, you know, thus we did have in the past like a blocking a delay of release so that the interviewee would set the date after which you could make this interview public. But beyond that, you know, other things that can make it. Well, I don't, you know, some kind of, you know, anonymity in terms of sound, in terms of visuals. You know, and or even some sort of sense over the audiences. This is the tricky part. The audiences that could be access, whether we can do an access, there's only educational scholarly use as opposed to media use and this kind of thing, and that gets obviously much manage on our end. You know, how are we going to make something available to scholars? It's really going to have to get back to like the old fashioned in-person archive rather than anything so, you know, or whatever. So those are the kind of discussions that we're having. They and they they were really came to us, particularly when we started interview interviewing survivors, witnesses of what we call current conflicts, where anonymity is much, much, much more of an issue than it was for Holocaust survivors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=4988.54,5105.33"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And obviously, you know, Armenian genocide survivors, too. So it's an ongoing conversation for us. I think at this point, we should probably just move toward wrapping up and give Julia and avoid last words. Did you have any additional comments broke? Joe, Joe, I was just going to say for us, it's, you know, our topics when we do, our interviews typically aren't as sensitive as what Christmas dealing with. And I mean, we have all of our interviewees on an occasions which acknowledges that it's quite possible. At some point, your interviewer, she don't want her to look like upside surveys. They're aware when we go on and do these interviews, we always tell our interviewees, don't say something. You don't want the world to hear you. That's. Yes, those. That's nose is coming. Doug Wead, go ahead. Sorry, go ahead. I wanted to comment on one more person in the chapel. Go ahead. Oh, great. You know, do it. Go ahead, Brooke. You can comment. Michael Fresh is here, and Michael, fresh with Renforce and and Doug Lambert, actually, we're the very first people that I ever met when I came to the oral history community in 2009. They ran a workshop that started on Wednesday, so they were actually quite literally the first faces I ever saw in the oral history community. And at the time, they were using a tool called Inner Clipper, and I kind of fell for the stool and what it allowed you to do. And it had this one special part that other tools still don't really have, which was not only the ability to sort of tag an index and segment, but but that you could highlight a phrase or a segment of text and and add terms demonization, which is something a little bit more like the tools like in vivo do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=5106.95,5214.84"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I asked a question in the chat I wanted just to talk a little bit about the decisions that people make when you are doing the summarizing right for with my students we talk about, this is where the scholarly magic happens, right? So I've had the experience of students indexing other people's interviews, right? Versus when you are the interview and the interviewer and you index your own interviews. I've also had students index my interviews, and one in particular is a case study. I interviewed a eighty nine year old Appalachian quilt maker who spoke about the Ladies Aid Society happening on her patio, and that was how people gathered. Now, any historian would know that the Ladies Aid Society is something that should be feminized and indexed for in this students indexing of my interview and it be hidden and masked. And in fact, in the transcript, there was a possessive or a lack of possessive that made it impossible to actually search the term. So one of the things that is of interest to me in indexing is it is indexing your own work of creating the same value that indexing that, allowing somebody else to index your work would create, right? Does the search ability and the summaries do they reach the same point or the scholarly dimension of the of what you're trying to bring out in your work if if the interviewer is not the person who's indexing their work right? So I think this is a big question. And for the most part, other people will be indexing like in major projects, other people other than the interviewer will be indexing the work. And so through the use of these controlled viscera and these taxonomies of terms. But I think what Frisch was getting to in the point in the in the comment, and maybe he'll speak here in a second.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=5215.47,5313.9"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's one thing to identify and to index key terms, you know, nouns of places, people's things. But it's a whole nother project to take a seven minute segment of someone's description of their own life experience and intentions. And to summarize that into your own words. And this is really for me where the importance of this work kind of comes down into crystallization. And I think fresh. Maybe you're still here. You say yes. So indexing for exploring rather than for searching. Can you say something about what you mean there? Well, just a little bit of project we're working on with an oral history project in New Orleans described it as at some point, if you've got a seven or 10 minutes section and this goes back to the unit story method that I developed, you'd like to get up on a ladder and see what those seven minutes all add up to. And and then you come down from the ladder and you can go find your clips. And so we've been playing with that. We're working a little bit with the module that Doug and the Luxembourg people designed for their story. And the other thing that's come in. So I think in general, the idea of a summary that is at the unit level and then the tides, the indexing can give anybody a sense. It's sort of like exploring, you need a map, you need to map the material before you can start digging for specific clips. And so combining these two can really be interesting. The big discovery for us, having begun with an interest in no transcription, an alternative to transcription because we wanted to is we've gone so far beyond that and the ability to start with an auto transcript and then correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=5314.86,5419.56"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's not Boyd was just saying and then go immediately from there. We've been playing with doing digests. We just squeezed down the auto transcript and you can have a digest of that seven minute section in one third or one quarter of the length. And that's all in the words of the interview. And then you can go and pull out your specific clips, which are usable on any number of ways. So for for us, I think we're right on that edge. We got some wonderful examples of people that have come this. Some uploaded files of one section of this New Orleans interview from the raw transcript all the way through to the exportable clip with the digests in the middle. So it's it's a kind of new area of how transcripts and really working with the with the active audio, audio or video can in fact go together and provide multiple dimensions of. Overview and access and real exploration and pulling out very specific examples, so I think it's this is all the places where things are are in motion, and we're very excited about where a lot of it's going. We're working in homes and aviary and now with their story. And again, for us, we began Doug Lambert and I began with no interest in transcription. And now we're seeing all the ways in which these can be very efficiently brought together. So but that's where the exploring dimension comes in, Brooke. Well, they still go ahead. I was just going to say that I think that the beauty of this is, you know, I see a lot of people who ask me, which one should I choose, which one should I use? And I think, you know, it's, you know, it all depends on on what your outcome is and what your audience is and what your framework is and what your budget is and what your resources are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=5420.01,5528.95"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think a series of decision lists in terms of, you know, even using ohms, you know, when I say it takes three hours per interview hour, that's one kind of index. You can create a much more elaborate index that will take longer or you can actually create a very light what we call, you know, level one index that's really just creating titles. That's it. Maybe some keywords, you can do that extremely fast, almost in real time. So I think so. I think this really does. You know this art, you know? You know, you had talked about, you know, this is kind of an emerging thing, you know, I mean, it's been going on for, you know, back in the analog days we were logging tape, you know, and I think but I think this idea of how you do it is, what's the emerging thing, the conversation, I think and it's not just this archival description, you know, you know, because as we start to explore, you know, natural language processing with, you know, getting into sentiment analysis, not just trying to pull out the things in the places and the people, but getting into sentiment analysis and sort of building that into to these platforms. In this approach, it's it's we're going to see, I think, wild variations that that really just depends. I wanted to get back to the the the original thing about, you know, interviewers indexing their own interviews, and I think that's really interesting, I think. I mean, I've done that index one or two of my own interviews as well as, you know, seen other people's indexing of mine. And you know, it's also kind of. I think this obviously skills involved in both of those different processes, and it's not necessarily the case that I'm a good index just because I'm a good interviewer or vice versa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=5529.55,5640.46"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Also, it's possible for an external person to pick up on things that me, the interviewer with all my knowledge of the particular interview and all my research that went into that. I'm blind to when I did the interview, and I'm kind of maybe not picking up on something and doing the interview as the interviewer and then an index. So I've got it, and that would be nice if I'd actually pursued that. But I, you know, I didn't or whatever. So I think that kind of can go both ways. It's not automatic that the interviewer is, well, you know, I would tend to feel that it probably shouldn't be that way around. We do index sentiments and emotions in our control vocabulary, too. That was something we brought in that we originally discussed and rejected in the 90s and then revisited about seven or eight years ago and started doing. And it's difficult, but really, I think very super valuable and interesting, and we could discuss that ad nauseum as well. Just that alone, I'm sure. Maybe a quick comment, Doug, if I could. Yeah, we are over time, so well, in addition to all the the things that you mentioned. Scale is really huge. I mean, most of the projects here, I mean homes and of course, sure. And and the World War Two collection are, you know, large collections. But for many practitioners in oral history, they're dealing with, you know, a small historical society and they're dealing with wanted to produce a 15 minute video or they're dealing with trying to get control of 10 interviews so that they can publish something. And so many of the questions that they'll confront in terms of and I couldn't agree with that. Boyd Moore. I mean, there are a whole range of tools and dimensions, all of which can be combined and all sorts of ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=5641.27,5748.26"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But for the very small project or for the student projects, you know, I think they can come in at a different level and have different needs than the question of indexing vast collections, which is, of course, vitally important. But a lot of the indexing that we're talking about can be done with a 10-hour collection that you're simply trying to get control of. So you know what's there and can do something useful with it for an exhibit in your local library? Yeah, well, I'll take that. That's exactly what I was going to say. No, and no, I'd like to just wrap it up with with one of my anecdotes from from being in the field of indexing. As I told before that when I first started with With You, Mike, and we were working with the inner clipper software, you know, from from day number two, I was all about what are we going to? How are we going to redesign this? How are we going to build our own software from the ground up? How are we going to, you know, everything looking at everything that was wrong with it? We ended up using it for a good 10 years. After that, we were never in a position to do major software development. Other things were coming into place and things were changing constantly, too. So. So the idea that in fact, you know, I find the idea of committing to, you know, committing to sort of one system very scary because you know that things are going to change and you know that people are going to do things differently. And the really thing I want to I want to shout out to and this is maybe, you know, this could be the subject of a session next year is like coming from the complete other end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=5748.68,5835.71"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I've seen so many things where students, you know, just like combine a spreadsheet and GarageBand and something else and some software that I never even heard of because they're on Tik Tok or something, you know, and they're and they're figuring it out, you know, so they index. The indexing is a concept, really. That's and that's what I sort of hoped to convey here that people come out from from different angles. And so for anybody listening or wondering where they should start or where they go, it's you look around. There's a lot out there and there's no right answer. So that's that's my last word, Brooke, you have something to wrap it up. Oh, I'd just like to thank everybody for being. Yes, thank you. This space open for a max of 15 minutes after our closing times, and we're already seven minutes here. Maybe we should post our emails and yes, emails and thank you all. And as you jump off, if we'll stay on for the last few minutes that we have here, I think there's also a networking tab in Facebook. So it just and the conversation going. Yeah, and anybody who wants to follow up, you know, we're sorry. We can't get everything in the chat. It's a little bit multitasking, but feel free to email us any of us. We're all very accessible. Anything you want to follow up up and should be able to find our find our emails. We can post them in the chat and hang out for a few minutes. But don't don't hesitate to contact us and and let's keep the conversation going as we often try to do so. OK, so now this is the part where everybody starts to walk around the room and slowly disperse and come up to the speakers and ask them questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=5836.37,5929.7"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, there you go. Yeah. Emails in the chat segment. It was so great to be able to see the back end of your tools. Crispin and Joey, I'm familiar with Ohmes, obviously, but it was just a delight to see to get a glimpse. And ours keeps growing. It changes on a on a biannually basis, biannual basis. We typically can't keep it going because of other projects, but it grows. I'll start working in it and find something that just I don't like. The most recent thing was, as I discovered, that every time you hit the start button, be to stop. But when you start again, it started from the beginning of the interview like, I can't do this. So that was the most recent thing we had. I mean, Unsere Honor, for me to be here and thank you for having me and, you know, I honestly feel any one of the kind of many, many sub points that we could have, we could have probably made a panel out of and I probably could have talked ad nauseum about, but I would love to stay in touch with you all. I think we're all kind of in the very similar realm and probably have very similar goals. Ultimately, even if you know situations, you know, I think the point about scale is is really significant. I think the fundamentals of what we're doing are actually basically the same. We're trying to provide access with what we're trying to provide, you know, meaningful ways for people to find and engage with, you know, stories. And you know, I'd love to continue conversation. I'm definitely looking at issues of interoperability. We're behind the curve on that because we've been in our own bubble doing our own work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=5930.81,6043.84"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So just you know what we can do. And you know what? I know that I can kind of market take back and, you know, actually get people on our own to do is is of great interest to me because I think there's a lot that we could share that we're not currently sharing with very little effort to ourselves that would be valuable and would definitely like to explore, you know, the kind of how that would work and how that can be helpful and how it could best work. And, you know, I can I can always talk about I'd love the whole interviewing thing is in the whole of the discussion. I mean, I'm much newer to interviewing than I am to indexing, but I love it dearly. The subjectivity side of this whole conversation like indexing that we didn't touch on that. The fact that this is so subjective indexing and the idea that, you know, as we start to grapple more and more socially a society wise, as with like implicit bias and unconscious bias and whatnot, you know, building that into this idea of indexing, you know, something where somebody else is choosing what's important for someone else. And that's where I really do like the idea of multiple indexes representing a single unit. You know, an interview that's been indexed by a student, an interview that's been indexed by a man and in an interview that's been indexed by a woman? You know, I think that that that would be fantastic. But when you're talking about a scale of, you know, thousands and thousands of interviews, it becomes really very challenging in this moment to think about that. And I think on the archives side, if you're just really trying to, you know, sort of tamp down the interpretation and just create sort of efficient discoveries so that you can kind of create the potential for interpretation out there, you know, you're constantly kind of balancing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=6044.92,6154.71"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think in this, that's a whole nother realm. There's room, though. There's room for this room from multiple approaches, even imperfect and not covering the whole of everything. I definitely feel like there's room with people motivated to get beyond that. I think that's a really good point, Doug, and I would just add to the subjectivity in the gender class and demographic kind of differences of of how one relates to content and what speaks to different people from the content. I think another question, too, is what relationship should the indexing plan have to the actual project statement and goals of the project? It seems that there should be a pretty significant amount of interwoven this there. And yet we as a community probably maybe haven't wrap our heads around that entirely from a best practices standpoint. It's kind of like you get into one phase of the oral history activity and then eventually you stumble into another phase. But really, we're to the point where our tools and our methods have advanced that really stepping back and saying, OK, now that this is the new era of oral history, accessibility, what does it actually mean when we go straight back to the drawing board about project design, informed consent, how we make people aware? And should some of that be actually designed from the project leadership in the beginning? You know, if this project aims to do these things, should we be indexing for this content? But then again, you turn around and you realize that what the questions that a future researcher 50 years from now wants to ask of your collection might be your your indexing strata might be completely and totally irrelevant to you. It will be. It will be not. Might it will be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=6155.28,6256.93"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But will will it be? Could it potentially make it harder for them to access the content? Or will it just be a little bit in the way and they're just going to use the search terms? I mean, these are things that I haven't even started. We're thinking about this with regard to like, you know, inclusive language and how how archives are now trying to really reexamine the language they used, you know, legacy terms and things. And now, like, you know, you know, I'm trying to think of an example, but I think, you know, I think it's going to be interesting because some of those legacy terms might not be the most appropriate term, but those are terms that people are still searching. How do you handle that? We've been talking about the ability to potentially have any ability for archives to use hidden fields in order to place some of those legacy terms so that they can be searchable. But it's not the term I definitely want out there like I think one that came up with prostitution versus sex work, and that just came up this last week in one of our interviews, which was a world where to interview and and talking about, you know, how can we kind of handle legacy terminology as it changes? And if the word is not there, that's a barrier to access. But, you know, so in the chat there two on this, and I would just say for me, thinking through that question has brought me back to a returned importance to the transcript because a future scholar will know the words at play in a given era or generation or community of practice, right? So they can search in transcript for those terms and do their own thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385#t=6257.56,6348.01"},{"id":"https://oralhistory.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1682/collection_resources/53215/file/125385/transcript/33550/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Métis Nation encoding as they theorize whatever it is that their scholarship focuses on. But if all they have access to is the index, what they're going to see is actually more of what our students understood. And this brings me back to some art theory. People say, like we know, based upon Victorian era scholarship of the Greeks, we know as much about Victorian era thinking as we do, perhaps more than we know about, for instance, the Greeks, right? Because everyone is within their own epistemological context and kind of can't see around it. So for me, ironically, done this 360 turn back to them. I can't get rid of the transcripts. I didn't. Yeah, as if the transcript was neutral, right? Yes, absolutely. Yeah. All right. We're going to get kicked out. We're going to get kicked off, Mike. Let's get kicked off. Let's get kicked off. Then let's go get a beer. You would get dinner at the meeting. I really wish. In fact, maybe we have a little follow up. I don't know. You can have the cocktail hour on a Zoom, right? We should be able to turn this. We should all of the time like our thanks everybody for hanging out and staying. Sorry, we can't just wander to the bar. You bet. Go ahead. You can cut us off my catch up with you. I want to catch up, John. 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